I have a Saker 762, Sandman S, and Socom 762 mini 2 (very similar length/weight to Sandman S). Cant really find anything on google directly comparing these 2, only the nomad and the L or Ti. The 17-4 stainless steel used for the baffles is a precipitation-hardened steel designed to provide corrosion resistance and high strength at temperatures up to 600 degrees Fahrenheit. The L isn’t the cheapest suppressor on the market, but nothing beats its performance and durability—even more expensive cans. I wasn’t able to bring any magnum rifles on this trip, but I did speak with Sam Scalco. During the last three years, I’ve used the Sandman-S on a wide variety of hosts. Buzz, The Dead Air Sandman-L is quieter than mid-size 30 caliber rifle silencers, like the Trash Panda and Sandman-S, but is predicted to exhibit significantly higher back pressure. Follow him on Instagram @bornforgoodluck and email him at jordan@gunsamerica.com. perfect on a hunting rig when you only plan to take one or two shots. Last year, I had the opportunity to hit the range with the guys from Capitol Armory to do a formal review of the Dead Air Quick Detach line of silencers. One hand removal in just seconds. First, I couldn’t discern any differences between the cans The warranty doesn’t cover things like abuse, neglect, and misuse, but they’ll replace your can for any other reason. Leonxxxi Replies: 9 Views: 179 1/15/2021 8:11 PM Quintin SureFire SOCOM Flash Hider. And the Sandman-L at 8.9″ is fantastic. The Nomad-L can be directly threaded onto the end of a rifle with a 5/8×24″ pitch (as I did in this review) or attached using Dead Air’s KeyMo attachment system. At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. Was looking into the Dead Air Nomad and Sandman. Continue to turn the silencer clockwise to ratchet down the silencer tight against the locking collar. Designed with the intent to go anywhere you go, the Dead Air Nomad-L offers an option for the everyday user who prefers added quiet. I found the Sandman to be most comparable to the L, and ... DEAD AIR ARMAMENT - SANDMAN-S RIFLE SUPPRESSOR. You can see in that chart that the Hybrid signature resembles the “no can” The difference is in the lengths, the “S” which is 6.8 inches long (top of the article”in the white”) and the the “L” which adds two more inches (above in the usual black). protect our hearing. He escaped that statist paradise at a young age, married a sixth-generation Texan, and currently lives in Waco. To help you see, hear, and visualize what I heard, I also took video of every can and caliber and threw the sounds in an audio editor to produce an audio signature. With its direct thread attachment and titanium tube it’s the perfect fit for your precision rifle, or even for dedicated use under your AR pattern rifle forend. like the “no can” signature. Mfr Part: SMS762. Sam works at Fossil Pointe, and he’s my go-to guy for suppressor info. quiets the sound more quickly than the other three. to the L, with the Hybrid coming in second, the Sandman in third, and the Nomad What is the difference between sandman k vs s vs l vs ti. Dead Air would wait until later to release their three prong flash hider Looking to eliminate the pinging sound associated with other 3-prong flash hiders of the time, their design featured cut-outs on the tines. At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. So first off, a nomad, keymo adapter, and flash hider will run me about 1100 before stamp it seems, and a sandman S is about 300 cheaper with flash hider. Nomad 30. The Sandman can be securely installed or removed with one hand in one step. The L model (review forthcoming), shows the telltale color changes to indicate that it had been run hard, and Torrey indicated that the S model hadn’t been babied either. Located on top of the brake are an additional three ports that aid in reducing muzzle climb. be manageable for one or two rounds in succession. Thread starter tgoff; Start date Oct 26, 2020; Oct 26, 2020 #1 T. tgoff Junior Member. The muzzle devices themselves are no slouch either. Feature Articles, Obviously AAC will save me some money but Dead Air’s locking system appears to be superior, especially if you plan to slide it under a rail. But all four were so similar, that you may well get different The Sandman-S is the shorter version suppressor in Dead Air’s notorious Sandman 7.62mm silencer line. All Dead Air products are covered by a warranty against all manufacturing defects and damages caused by the normal use of this product. I experienced no discomfort in either ear, and I couldn’t discern a first-shot pop. The aesthetics and engineering with these two mounts is second to none. Dead Air Sandman-S: 10,000 Rounds Later. It was clear in only a matter of minutes that these would be a game changer for the quick detach silencer market. Posted November 28, 2018 in Editorial, Guns & Gear, NFA / Suppressors / Class III by Austin R with No CommentsTags: Dead Air Armament, rifle, sandman, silencer, suppressor. Surprising is how well this suppressor has fared over the years. Rating: Up to 300 Norma Mag: 22 HORNET, 5.56 NATO, 22-250, 204 RUGER, .243 WIN, 6.5 CREEDMOOR, 6.8 SPC, 7.62 NATO, 7MM REM MAG, .30-06 SPRINGFIELD, 300 BLACKOUT, 300 WIN, NORMA MAG, ULTRA MAGDIRECT THREAD ONLY: 5.45X39MM, 7.62X39MM W/ CONCENTRIC BARREL, 7.62X54R W/ CONCENTRIC BARREL. Line up the indexing mark on the silencer with the vertical groove on the mount to slide the silencer on. Made in the U.S.A. 100-400-002WB Sandman-S 30 Caliber QD Rifle Suppressor. The sweet spot the original Nomad delivered got sweeter, and about 2 inches longer than its sibling. You may not be familiar with Thunderbeast, but suffice it to say, anything that can stand toe-to-toe with one of their products is a winner. If God had a gun to my head, I think I’d still give the nod shooting the Hybrid. He told me that they compared the Nomad L against the much That mount is why I purchased the Sandman S. I'm very pleased with the Sandman. Dead Air Sandman S. Leonxxxi. I wrote “hearing safe-ish” in my notes about the Nomad 30. As I mentioned above, With now four distinct models—S, L, K, and TI—of their Sandman silencer, the Dead Air crew covers all bases in the 7.62mm rifle can classification. It wasn’t unpleasant, but not as comfortable as the L. Also, the noise produced by these accessories is far less noticeable. Dead Air Suppressors - Nomad vs Sandman. The Nomad 30 was louder and less comfortable to shoot than Testing the Sandman L on a .308 Savage and an AR15. But the patterns I see align in several ways At launch, the Sandman-S shipped with a muzzle-brake based mount. But we don’t use suppressors because we like going back. Note: It will only go on one way, minimizing point of impact shift. Feb 18, 2015 #1. I didn’t use a decibel meter because smart people tell me it’s doesn’t tell you whether a sound is “hearing safe” or not. This suppressor is 6.8 inches long and 17.7 ounces, providing shooters a compact and maneuverable addition to their host firearm, with impressive performance on 300BLK, 5.56, and 7.62. Sandman-K. But even though the Nomad L may not have been technically hearing safe, it felt that way. That’s why I’ve included under each video a Silencers, Shooting this caliber in the AR-15 SBR platform was the least comfortable of the three calibers I tested. between the two, including while shooting the 7mm Mag. All four suppressors were comparable, and all produced similar ear ringing. To help you see, hear, and visualize what I heard, I also took video of every can and caliber and threw the sounds in an audio editor to produce an audio signature. The Sandman-L ™ uses our industry best QD system for fool-proof quick one handed mounting. Along with the sound charts below, Izhevsk54r. Continue to turn the silencer clockwise to ratchet down the silencer tight against the locking collar. I hope they’ll give you a clearer picture of the experience. Absolutely. The QD system is design perfection. Next post: Building My First Belt-Fed: Semi-Auto RPD Build Part 3, Previous post: Vision Problems & Solutions for Shooters: What To Do When It’s Hard to See The Sights. I shot it on a 10.5" 300blk subsonic ammo and it sounded as you would expect, quiet. I find it interesting, but it may not mean much to someone with more technical sound training. For the Sandman-S version, think of this song because both are short and sweet. And that's what it is at 6.8 inches in length with a weight of 17.3 oz. while shooting supersonic rounds from the 300 Blackout. Feb 18, 2015 #1. When should you consider buying the Dead Air Sandman-S Suppressor? The Sandman-S, shorter than its Sandman-L sibling, features the same stainless steel and stellite construction with a … The current market for QD mounts was plagued by exposed threads or secondary locking collars that instantly seemed sub-par. I didn’t notice any difference among the cans tested—in all four, the action produced the loudest sound. The Sandman-K on the 10.3″ BLK was certainly not hearing-safe by any means – even with subsonic loads. At the time, the longer Nomad was referred to as the Nomax. I shot and recorded rounds from a bolt action rifle chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, an AR-15 chambered in .308 WIN, and another AR-15 chambered in 300 Blackout. * This is the best performing and quietest 7.62 suppressor on the market. In an effort to satisfy more requirements, Dead Air has introduced the fourth (and shortest) member of the Sandman family - The Sandman K. The K model takes the mounting system and user swappable end caps used on the longer S and L models and lops an extra inch and a half off the end of the S … do a poor job representing the in-person experience. Whether you call them silencers, cans, gun mufflers, or I have a Dead Air Sandman S in NFA jail, but am trying to set up some rifles and a pistol for when it comes in. Plus, the Nomad-L is compatible with all Sandman front caps. On top of that, the pitch or tone when fired is much lower than that of other silencers on the market. Something that’s not commonly seen among high round count QD silencers. The Nomad-L is designed and manufactured in Georgia, and uses a tubeless design with 17-4 stainless steel laser-welded baffles. The Nomad L produced a sharp crack, but I found the sound to Even though the Nomad-L is Dead Air’s newest release, we did get a preview of its performance last year thanks to Discreet Ballistics hosting a sound metering day incorporating nearly two dozen manufacturers makes and models of 30 caliber suppressors. the L and the Sandman. Dead Air Nomad vs Sandman S? None were as comfortable as the 6.5 Creedmoor, which is due partly to the cartridge and partly to the platform. The QD-Mount is inevitably what sold me on a Sandman. re: Silencerco Omega Vs dead air sandman S Posted by boatless2 on 10/2/17 at 12:59 am to Ice Cream Sammich Well after watching a bunch of YouTube videos, and talking with y’all, the dead air was consistently louder decibel wise than the thunder beast, silencerco omega, … Sure, those ratcheting teeth aren’t as sharp as they used to be, but they still work and show no signs of giving up. The Nomad L on a Howa 1500 chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor was the most pleasant supersonic round I fired all day. I see length I see cost I see weight. The exterior is finished in Cerakote ® for ultimate durability. Any input is greatly appreciated since I’m new to this market. The ones I’m looking at are the sandman S/L from Dead Air and the SD/SD-N from AAC. more effectively than the other cans I tested. Made and constructed from the same materials as the “S” version, the “L” is only 8.9 inches in length, but offers a true sound reduction of 31dB firing standard 7.62 ammunition. protection if I planned to shoot for an extended session, but the L would be signature more than any of the others. They both produced a similar level of discomfort as the Click here to check out the Nomad-L for yourself. No doubt the Sandman-S Suppressor isn’t as small as the K, but that could be an advantage in some circumstances. pick up significant differences. Dead Air ranks at or near the top of any list of suppressor companies. On any of these platforms, it works incredibly well. That performance starts with the design and manufacturing process. It will be for a … comfortable doesn’t mean it’s not causing hearing damage, especially over the My question is should I fit my uppers with flash hiders or muzzle breaks? Dead Air Sandman silencers have no barrel length restrictions, they are full auto rated, have interchangeable end caps, and are rated up to .300 Win Mag. quieter and quiet sounds louder. Fossil Pointe supplied me with the suppressors I used for this test, and Sam is constantly shooting and testing all the most popular suppressors on the market. While looking over my shooting logs last month I realized that the Sandman-S had crossed over the 10,000 round mark. No wobble, no seizing, no … This is no knock on Dead Air or the Sandman-K. With family in Canada, he’s seen first hand how quickly the right to self-defense can be stripped from law-abiding citizens. Of course, the Sandman-S at 6.8″ would perform better. This is child’s play for any suppressor worth its salt, and all four suppressors were up to the challenge. Jordan Michaels has been reviewing firearm-related products for over four years and enjoying them for much longer. Dead Air Sandman-S: 10,000 Rounds Later. suppressors, once you enter the wonderful world of quiet shooting, there’s no Most commonly being the above Daniel Defense V7 in 300 Blackout and Daniel Defense MK18 SBR. That’s the standard I used when I compared the Nomad L, Nomad 30, Dead Air Sandman-L, and SilencerCo Hybrid across .308 WIN, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 300 Blackout. Alright industry folks in the know, give me the low down. These would eliminate a phenomenon commonly this is referred to as the “tuning fork effect”. The S suppressors provide an outstanding balance between K and L models. I was just curious how it would perform on this configuration. Is he going to rise from the ashes after what happened with SilencerCo? There really wasn’t another QD (quick-detach) silencer that had all these features. Showdown: Pocket Rocket v. PMR30 — Full Review, SIG Sibling Showdown: The MCX Rattler versus MPX…, Air Power for the Apocalypse: SIG Air's ASP 20 Break…, Building My First Belt-Fed: Semi-Auto RPD Build Part 3, Vision Problems & Solutions for Shooters: What To Do When It’s Hard to See The Sights. were several people on the range that day and most couldn’t tell any difference They’ve followed the release of their popular Nomad 30 with an even quieter suppressor designed for big calibers and hard use—the Nomad L. With the help of Fossil Pointe Sporting Grounds in Decatur, Texas, I had a chance to compare the Nomad L to three other suppressors: the Nomad 30, the Dead Air Sandman-L, and the SilencerCo Hybrid. was also uncomfortable through each At 9" and 21.8 oz it felt really good and the fact that it is rated for up to .300 Win Mag just makes it better. Using a two-stage taper lock the mount is pure engineering genius. I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not a sound engineer (if Eagle-eyed readers might point out that I didn’t test the Nomad L with a Big Boy™ cartridge. Even after all that high-temp abuse, the QD-Mounting system refuses to give up. more expensive Thunderbeast Ultra9 with 308 Win., 6.5 Creedmoor, and 7mm Mag. One hand removal in just seconds. We also take some comparison shots with the Sandman K. Follow Us! Listening to some folks describe suppressor sounds reminds me of listening to fine wine or craft beer connoisseurs describe their favorite beverage. Over time this is something I’ve grown very fond of, considering the other suppressors I’ve used. That’s the standard I used when I compared the Nomad L, Nomad 30, Dead Air Sandman-L, and SilencerCo Hybrid across .308 WIN, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 300 Blackout. Using suppressors was obviously a big step up from shooting unsuppressed, but even with the Nomad L, I found that my right ear rung with the report. If a brake wasn’t used, which end cap? Second, the 308 Win. I switched from the Trifecta to ASR, and finally to Dead Air's key-mo mount, which is fantastic. The QD system is design perfection. I noticed a sharper pop while shooting the Sandman, and duller thud while Not a huge surprise when you consider the burnt off Cerakote in the above photos. I plan on using the suppressor most of the time, but not always. This two-stage thread-less mount (now known simply as KyMo) is a game changer. Does this suppressor allow me to shoot without experiencing discomfort? Plus, Dead Air puts their money where their mouth is. they could tell a difference, some picked the Nomad L as quieter, and some The Nomad L consistently suppressed sound as well as or better than any of the other cans (usually better). Turn the silencer five degrees clockwise to engage the locking lugs. It’s important to note that just because a shot report feels Joined Oct 12, 2020 Messages 16. To stand up to the violent conditions inside a suppressor, the baffles are made from Stellite and welded into a … to bring all volumes to within a certain decibel range—they make loud sounds It is full-auto rated for 5.56 NATO, but users shouldn’t feed more than five or six mags through without letting the can cool off. Dead Air Sandman-S The "S" is for short. Turn the silencer five degrees clockwise to engage the locking lugs. This could account for the can, but the Hybrid was by far the least comfortable and the L was the most. Six lugs (three primary and three safety) on the silencer attach it to the host weapon. ), and the microphone I was using may not be sophisticated enough to suppressors do a nice job modifying the “no can” signature, but the Hybrid Incorporating two forward facing gas ports designed to disrupt the concussive blast muzzle-brakes notoriously provide. Dead Air Sandman-S… I can appreciate their well-trained palates, but when it comes to suppressors, I’m only interested in one thing: comfort. the Hybrid landed somewhere closer to the Nomad 30. Dead air sandman k vs s vs l vs ti. Supressed Replies: 0 Views: 34 1/15/2021 7:55 PM B&T VP9 (now station six) available for order. The end cap is constructed from Grade 5 titanium, and the rear mount is nitrided stainless steel. did experience some discomfort in my left ear, and you can actually hear a Plus, the Nomad-L is about $200 cheaper. with my impression of each can. The first thing to know about suppressor videos is that they picked the Thunderbeast Ultra 9. Joined: Nov 3, 2012 Messages: 378 Location: FL. Three years ago a batch of Dead Air Sandman silencers arrived at my local gun shop. Now you don’t have to worry about that friend who may or may not have engaged the locking collar. Which muzzle brake was installed on the Hybrid for testing – the 30 or 46 caliber brake? The Nomad L suppressed the .308 Win. Given their all-steel construction, the Sandman series is built like a tank. Dead Air Sandman TI Sandman-TI Looking for ultimate silence from your precision rifle? summary of the notes I took while shooting. they were all uncomfortable to shoot, and the signature of each can is the most Third, you can see on the 6.5 Creedmoor chart that all None performed poorly, to my ears, but the L produced the least discomfort. Microphones are designed The first silencer that I tested was the 7.62 Sandman-L, the "L" stands for long. The Nomad-L can be used with E-Brake as well, which reduces felt recoil and muzzle rise. Supressed. difference in the video. . The silencers are made with .30 caliber guns in mind, each rated up to .300 Win Mag but just as easily at home on a 300 BLK gun. Founded by suppressor godfather Mike Pappas, Dead Air has made a name for itself constructing high-quality, super-quiet cans right here in the USA. Related Tags: The K has the class leading solid weld Stellite ® baffle core and detachable front cap, just like the rest of our Sandman Series. You can take this for what you think it’s worth. Anyone have experience with these? If you are already a fan of Dead Air muzzle devices, you’ll be happy to know the Nomad-L is Key-Mo compatible. Of the people who said No seizing, and minimal point of impact shifts. comments! the sound in the same way a wine expert likes the taste of wine—we use them to 30 in fourth. Reviews; Write a Review; INTRODUCING THE SANDMAN-K. there are any sound engineers reading, let us know your thoughts in the The author is a military contractor who enjoys conducting independent firearms research and reloading. You just can’t beat physics. The Saker is heavy, but not overly long. Suppressors. That means your Nomad-L can have the same robust and proven quick attachment method as our Sandman models, giving you the best of both worlds. The 8.9 inch long Sandman-L offers a sound reduction of 31dB with standard 7.62 ammunition. Dead Air at the muzzle - 136.1 db, 136.1 db, 140.8 db, 135.8 db, 137.6 db (137.3 db avg) Dead Air at the ear - 150.1 db, 149.6 db, 147.2 db, 148.3 db, … The photo shows the Hybrid with a muzzle brake. Looking into getting a do it all suppressor I can use for my AR's as well as a 300 win mag hunting rifle. dull thud I described above. The Sandman-S delivers performance in a small package. The Sandman Ti™ is your huckleberry. course of an entire range session. There’s nothing like a quality suppressor on a bolt gun. The Dead Air Nomad-L is a classic spin off from the Nomad-30. SilencerCo Saker vs Dead Air Sandman S. Thread starter TJ208; Start date Feb 18, 2015; TJ208 Member. About the author: At 6.8 inches in length and a weight of 18.5 oz the Sandman-S™ is the perfect cross-over suppressor for your 5.56mm, 300BLK, and 7.62 platforms, even up to .300 Win Mag. There I’d want to wear hearing Article inquiries and suggestions are welcome at austinjrex at gmail.com. I Would I buy it again if given the chance? Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by theboyscout, Nov 8, 2019. theboyscout Member. answers from different shooters. For the person demanding absolute sound reduction, look no further than the Dead Air Sandman-L. Sorry, the Sandman isn’t built for flight, but it is built to fight. Sharing all of the features of the Sandman-S and Sandman-L, while adding only 2.9″ to your muzzle.. Win-win. Did Mike Pappas hit a home run with the Sandman series.
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